Tuesday, May 12, 2015

Cooper's "Closer" — Follow-Up "Answers"

Giogio's questions deserve more than a "comment" so herewith a full-fledged "follow-up". During our discussion he said he had found the Paris Review interview to be the best he had found so here's a link.

1. Partly what Cooper is writing about is pedophilia and partially how he writes about it is pornography. He addresses the pedophilia in his books in the 15th Q&A of the Paris Review interview.

The fact that teenagers were routinely disrespected, objectified, exploited, and disempowered was a huge issue to me then and one that has remained very important to me as I’ve become an adult.
Now I can inhabit the thoughts and emotions and motivations of adults who see teenagers as problems, as reminders of their own youth, as sex ­objects or triggers of sentimentality, as a dismissible, transitional, short-lived species that occupies some sort of dark age between childhood and adulthood, both of which are seen as more legitimate stages of life. But my concentration is on resisting that supposed wisdom.

In the 10th Q&A he addresses the issue of pornography.

I think pornography is a very rich medium, and I’ve studied it closely and learned quite a lot as a writer from it. Porn charges and narrows the reader’s attention in a swift, no-nonsense way, and it creates an anxious, intimate, and secretive atmosphere that I find very helpful as a way to erase the context around my characters and foreground their feelings, their psychological depths, their tastes. But I’m also always interested in subverting and counteracting porn’s effect, and the sex in my books is never merely hot. It challenges the objectification that is porn’s stock-in-trade by removing the central conceit that people having sex are in a state of supreme relaxation and self-confidence, wherein their worries and individuality are muted and beside the point. It uses hotness as a kind of decoy.

2. "Is art worth the nausea?" It better be! But we shouldn’t be doctrinaire about this. Some people, for any number of reasons, will be so sensitive about a subject that no degree of art will carry them through the experience.

3. "Who is the ideal reader?" Keith suggested at the meeting that the genre of Closer is what the French call expérience des limites. He pointed out to me later that expérience can mean both experience and experiment. We experiment with limits—not just when we're young—to find out what they are, where they are, and whether they are something we can or wish to go up to or beyond. This becomes a species of the examined life and the worthwhileness of life's living.

Friday, May 8, 2015

Cooper's "Closer" — Follow-Up Questions

Though I realize that most of the group is happy to put Cooper behind them, so to speak, I have a couple of questions that we didn’t get to during our discussion. If anyone could shed light in these areas, I’d be grateful:

1) In the time I’ve been coming to BookMenDC, this is the first book we’ve read whose exclusive subject seems to be sex. QUESTION: Is sex Cooper’s exclusive subject? Or is he writing about sex into order to talk about something else? Does it matter?

2) But, well, the HORROR!, as a Lovecraft character might cry. When I was a kid, I closed my eyes during the terrible scenes in horror movies. And I did that in one chapter of Cooper’s Frisk. What about the nauseating descriptions of sex acts and desires that simply do not figure in my world? Think David Cronenberg films, Dead Ringers, for instance, or Videodrome, or Existenz. Think of the British television series, Black Mirror. QUESTION: So, the question, similar to questions people have raised for ages about “difficult” poetry (e.g. Prynne) is this: Is art worth the nausea?

3) In Guide, Cooper writes: “As Luke has explained, he doesn’t understand why anyone would want to write about the subjects my novels recapitulate so automatically. Neither do I, so we’re even.” QUESTION: Replacing “write about” with “read about”, I have to wonder about who might be Cooper’s ideal reader? Who is he writing for?

—posted for Giogio

Saturday, May 2, 2015

The Pentateuch of Pederastic Snuff

Closer is the first volume of Dennis Cooper's "George Miles Cycle". We're discussing only that opener next Wednesday but for those who might be curious what it opens to, there's probably no better statement of intention than Dennis Cooper's own.

Tuesday, April 28, 2015

Delicious Pregnancy Quotation Undelivered

If you google "proust duel”, the top hit is Wikipedia’s List of Duels including the 25-y.o. Marcel's with Jean Lorrain on Feb. 5, 1897. "Proust and Lorrain exchanged shots at 25 paces. Proust fired first, his bullet hitting the ground by Lorrain's foot. Lorrain's shot missed, and the seconds agreed that honor had been satisfied." The footnoted authority is Douglas W. Alden's article in Modern Language Notes  February, 1938. Alden claims "Such impetuosity is not surprising in a ‘nerveux,’ nor is this dramatic gesture astonishing in a young man, who, at this time, took feudal society seriously." The occasion for the duel was Lorrain’s scathingly criticle review of Proust’s Les plaisirs et les jours, which appeared in Le Journal, Feb. 3, 1897 — unfortunately, not the source of the “delicious” pregnancy quotation in Steve's post nine days ago (v.i.).

5/2/15 update: Gottschall's book references Barbara Holland's Gentlemen's Blood  for the delicious quotation. She, however, references nothing! Under those circumstances one has to wonder what sort of scholarly pretension Gottschall was striving to maintain. (As in, "yeah, I heard some guy in a bar once say that.")

Monday, April 27, 2015

Off the Good Ship Lollipop


The perfect travel poster for Dennis Cooper's Closer, which we discuss next Wednesday! It's a short book (130 pages) and reads fast. You could wait till the night before (or the day of, depending on your work schedule). But I've found a rereading extraordinarily useful. There are seven points-of-view and and least three different narrative voices. Putting them all together can be a challenge. So I recommend cracking the book open and reading the first chapter "John: The Beginner" (16 pages) so that if you do think you might want a reread, you'll have a chance. Of course, again depending on your work schedule, if you read and like it the night before, you could reread it the day following. WARNING: some people will not want or be able to finish the book. You'll find out who you are soon enough.

Sunday, April 19, 2015

Quote of the Day, Literary Smackdown Division

In his review of Jonathan Gottschall's The Professor in the Cage: Why Men Fight and Why We Like to Watch, in the April 19 Outlook section of the Washington Post, Carlos Lozada shares a delicious quote:

Gottschall recounts how Marcel Proust traded pistol shots with a book critic who had called him "a pretty little society boy who has managed to get himself pregnant with literature."

To me, the only thing more astonishing than that quote is the idea that Proust fought a duel with actual weapons! Sadly, however, Lozada doesn't give us any particulars; anyone out there happen to know?

Wednesday, April 1, 2015

V is for Victory!


Just in case I was not the only reader puzzled by the frequent references to "V-mail" throughout John Horne Burns' The Gallery, here is a link to a Wikipedia article that explains how the system works. (Really pretty ingenious!)


My Google search also turned up a sample V-mail created as (presumably) a teacher resource for a class studying the novel.